The Epoxy and Fasteners Stuff

I am using the West System's Epoxy. For the moment I opted to use the 105 resin, 205 (fast) hardener and the 404 adhesive filler. Eventually, I will have to move to different fillers for different parts of the boat but in the phase I am in. Currently I only need the 404. I like the craft popsicle sticks for stirrers; wasn't sure if that would be long enough, but has managed well for the small batches I am making in building the frames. I purchased my epoxy though Discount Marine Supplies. I wasn't thrilled with the prices for the epoxy on the Glen-L website. For my boat it was around $700 buck. Now that did come with two stretches of woven fiberglass cloth. However, I found that I could purchase those and all this for less than half the 700 mark. So I recommend you look in your area or online before plunking out major bucks on this. Also though the forums I found another supplier for screws and bolts was the Bolt Depot. This is where I purchased all my fasteners. It was hardest finding the long bolts for attaching the keel since there are quite long and of bronze.

Wood all came from a local source. Still about two hours drive from the house and hull ply will come from another supplier two hours in the opposite direction. I do live in north Georgia, so nobody around here needs marine ply I guess.

 

 This is what happens when you don't plan out the procedures. During the epoxy stages of the frames I didn't remove my gloves before grabbing my drills for drilling and screwing. The drill on the left was not cleaned the one on the right was cleaned. But in the process of making this mistake I did find out what best removes the epoxy in gel state or before.

 

Here's your friend in this case. GoJo works excellent in removing epoxy from your hands or your tools during glue up stages. Now I always recommend that you wear the proper safety material and gloves during your build, but accidents happen. I found that if I got some of the epoxy on my hands or tools and as long as it was still in a "wet" stage, it is possible to scrub if off with the GoJo and a terry towel.

Also I have to recommend the eye pro. More than once I have gotten sawdust in the eye while cutting out frame parts (especially the white oak). These cheapo babies have more than once saved my sight. As Norm Abram would say for good reason, "And there's no more important safety rule that to wear these... safety glasses"

It is funny how that is one of the most memorable quotes I can think of to date. He was a great carpenter and a great teacher. Every show started with the same safety brief but was given on every show. A genuine concerned fellow from an era of great do'ers.

Frame #2 and part of breasthook

Today I wanted to finish up on Frame #2 and start putting the breast hook assemble together. I had a slight incident though. I wet out both surfaces with the epoxy before adding my filler to the mix for final gluing. However when I separated the breast hook frames I forgot to flip the opposing side. Thus I wet out the outer side! Ah if it could… it would.

Anyway I made another small batch of the epoxy and wet out the correct side. Not an easy feat considering I was already sticky wet on the outer side. Just proves the fact that preparation is key. I need to take more precautions in the future to make sure everything is set up and maybe do a dry run before I even mix the epoxy.

I have a few other tidbits to accomplish today on the build. After running a few errands today I will come back and finish cutting wood for a couple more frames hopefully. By then these should at least be in the gel state. I don't think we'll rush into getting any more frames in epoxy tonight (give me a break it's superbowl sunday!).

I may pull the ladder off the donor boat today and start cutting the wood to replace on it. I like the looks of it and think it will be a great addition to the Mimi. Still waiting on the tool to come so I can take the Gimble and housing off the donor.

I feel like I have wasted a lot of time going over the donor boat (last weekend pickup and minor work to prepare for this weekend tear out). It has some good parts on it that will save me some money in the long run but I don’t want to get too caught up in it. Also it takes a bit to warm up the garage for epoxy. This morning it was 50 degrees in the garage and I try to wait till I can get it to at least 60 to 65 before any epoxy can start, and even then ideal temps are supposed to be in the 70’s. I probably should invest in a better heater I suppose.

 

Frame 3 begins

Been a little while since I have posted. Finally found supplier for marine ply and white oak.
I thought I had inspected the wood well enough... well not so. Upon cutting out a frame member the whole plank cracked and split in two pieces right down the middle. I therein selected not to use any part of that board. The other boards fared better and made sound cuts. So I have all the pieces for frame 3 and some pieces for frames 1, 2, 4 and 5. Shame that board broke. I would have had enough lumber to cut all frames except transom. But thats the way it goes.
Got the West Systems epoxy 105 resin and the 205 hardner. Also a couple of canisters of the 404 high density filler.
Finally got the garage up to 60 degrees tonight so I thought I would give it a go on the one frame.
Glen-L gives instrustions on how to build a layout board with centerline refernces and setup line. Found that not too dificult to setup. Still some of the cuts I made with the bandsaw originally are a little wobbly on the outter side of the frame. I hope that once it gets to the fairing portion before siding I can get the lines of the sides a bit smoother with the sander. I am certain I cant be the only person facing this delimma.
Even with the 60 degree temp in the garage the epoxy didnt heat up in the cup, nor did it go to a gel very quickly either. I am hoping it will continue to get to the right consistancy for the bonding.
I opted to use screws (stainless) for the gussetts and floor timber. On reading/studying I found general notes that nails werent really for structure holding but more of a clamping mechanism until the epoxy dries. I thought if the epoxy doesnt set right and doesn't ever solidify at least with screws I will be able to dissasemble, sand it down and try again with warmer weather.
Not a bad start, and hey we're learning here.

Mock-up frame

Well today I thought I would try my template to make sure it would be sufficient.  I had some pine laying around from prior projects and thought I would give it a go.
Simple enough. I decided to mock up frame three, since it is probably the largest of the frames being midship.
Cutting the frame member with a jig saw seemed to work best for me. I have a nine inch band saw, but I do need to switch to a courser blade before attempting that again.
Ok just going to let you know now... if your reading this I had to type it out on my phone; I left the laptop at work today. My apologie on the typos. Thumbs werent meant for blogging.
Anyway got frame three completed. So I can get a rough estimate that the templates do work. I checked the frame against the full size layout plans and was pretty happy. Also got to see roughly how it will fit within my garage and what space I will have to work around it. Not bad.
This was not a necessary step today but A fun project to do while I await the real lumber.

Templating the Plans

My first inclinations are to continue to study and get ready to purchase the lumber. However, In a recent reading of post on the Glen-L forum, I found out that templates take some time to produce to get ready before the lumber. Hmmmn. Well lets get to that.

At the hobby lobby I purchased poster board, an embalsing pen, and some graphite paper. A few years ago it was called carbon paper, now it's made a little different but still does pretty much the same thing.

Laying out the full size drawings on my largest garage table and placing the posterboard under, sandwiching the graphite paper. Utilizing the Embalsing Pen with its rounded over point I trace the lines of the plan. If you are wondering why not just cut out the parts of the plan? Well, first, these plans did cost a little bit of money. Secondly, there are parts on the plan, like the stem that are quite long and actually are drawn through other parts of the boat. You can easily make out what is what on the plan, but I did need a way to make a duplicate so I didn't end up ruining the whole lot just for one peice. I think this may be clearer once you receive your own plans you will see the connudrum I was referring to.

This process did take a little time. I was able to make temps of frames zero, three, and one as well as the breasthook, and two sets of gussets for frame three. Each different cut piece has to be templated seperately. So to make frame three, there are four seperate peices that have to be drawn seperately to make templates of the parts that go together to make the entire frame. Also marking notes on each peice as to thickness, locations, special cuts, and anything that may be useful when it comes time to layout on the wood. I even went as far as to place a reminder on the template to remember that this is only a half frame so I would need to flip the template on the centerline and draw the other half on the same board too. Anything that may be helpful when doing the layout.

Plans Arrive!

For a long time coming I have wanted to build a Glen-L boat. Time has finally come to where I can do so. I had a hard time selecting the boat I wanted to build. I really like the oh so popular Malahini boat and  had settled on that. We, My wife Nichole (Mimi), want to build a boat that our grandson can enjoy while growing up. Currently, he is four and I hope to have the boat built before he reaches age of water skiing and such. I also enjoy fishing and hope to get him and his father to go as well.

So my utilization for the boat didn't quite fit the model of the Malahini. As you can see from the pictures, the Malahini is more of a sports boat. I had trouble thinking of how it would be to fish out of, or where would we put ski's and gear for a day trip. Or how would it fare if the three of us took other family with us... I just don't see how I could utilize that model to the fullest potential that we would want. The Malahini could be a great boat for just the wife and I to cruise the lake in and her to sunbathe and have a great weekend, but not really for my current needs.

Browsing around the Glen-L plans, I found what I think is more of a suitable boat for our needs. The Roustabout. I think with a few slight embellishments I can make it look just as great as the Malahini. It has the shape of older motor boats that isn't as great to me. But I think I can really turn it into a better looking boat.

So I ordered the plans for the 17' Roustabout. Happy to receive them and have been studying them since they arrived. This project has been a project of study for quite some time now. Even before ordering the plans I have scoured the Internet for videos, blogs, and parts. I have found a few possible sources for lumber, and marine parts. I have visited many blogs and postings to learn some of the possible necessary crafts of building the boat. I have even visited a few other craft sites that may make building the boat even more interesting... has anyone ever thought of building a foundry just to melt and pour your own windshield frames? Yep, this guy.

The arrival of the parts is a tremendous step in the journey that will be the boat! I cannot say that it will go 100 percent right all the time but like a wise man once said, "I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestionable ability of a man to elevate his life by conscious endeavor" (Thoreau)